tv State of the Union CNN April 19, 2015 6:00am-7:01am PDT
mike huckabee did well. no clear frontrunner and other likely calendar shifts florida pushing back and going later, and those southern states could have much more sway and that has the establishment nervous because they are unaware of the unofficial candidates like mike huckabee and cruz. "state of the union" starts right now. >> the white house blinks and the standoff with congress over iran. and is same-sex marriage the gop's gop gop's akeelies heel. this is "state of the union"." >> the fight to free an american journalist from iran. republicans and democrats in
congress have been demanding a say on the details in the iran nuclear deal, and now they are going to get it. the senator is set to pass a bill that gives congress oversight of any final agreement. president obama who fought congressional involvement aggressively for months now says he will support the measure, and he likely had little choice. the lawmakers that crafted that compromise the senate foreign committee relation bob corker, and ben cardin. the president, we were listening closely, at a minimum did not give an exnex commitment and is the president in your view kau pitch lating to iran on this
issue. >> well jim, it's hard to know. one of the things that people may not know is that four times over the course of the last -- since 2010 congress has put in sanctions. we put them in place. with that we gave the president what is called a national security waiver and so today unilaterally he has the ability to negotiate any deal he wishes and go straight to the u.n. security council to have it implemented. what senator cardin and myself and so many others said is we want to understand jim, what he says is the way it is or not, so before he is able to lift the sanctions that we put in place, we passed a piece of legislation out of the committee and hopefully across the floor and to the house, we passed a piece of legislation that allows us first to see all of the details, to stop the president from just lifting those sanctions without us having time to go through
them. >> are you saying that you would stop him from lifting those sanctions if it was not phased in over time, and this is a key issue for our viewers, because the issue is if they are not phased in then in effect the u.s. loses its leverage with iran to keep them honest in honoring the deal? >> unless we have this piece of legislation that becomes law, there is no ability to do that and there is no ability for congress to understand what the real arrangement is. as you know at present the leadership in iran is telling their citizens one thing and our president and others are telling us another. the only way we will ever know what are the details, understand what is in the classified annexes is for us to pass the pieces of legislation before us because otherwise we may never know until way after the fact exactly what the agreement is. look i think it's very
important, yes, that the sanctions be phased and we see how iran is behaving and whether they are actually living up to the arrangement and we are building up trust, but to alleviate those on the front end gives them more money immediately to support terrorists acts. >> your compromised bill passed the committee 19-0 and our reporting is that it has a veto proof majority in the broader senate, and assuming that becomes a reality and it passes and you have this oversight, without a firm commitment to one, a phased relief of santions and the other is access to the nuclear sites, and it's fessing up to nuclear work on a nuclear weapons program, and without those commitments in
a final deal will the senate reject the final nuclear agreement? >> again, jim, we will see. this first piece that senator cardin and i are working on at least gives the senate and the house representatives to have a say, and to see the deal in advance, and to make sure that if there is a deal it's complied with. that's what is before us now. the content of the agreement will come before us later and we will have the opportunity to discern the things you are asking about now. one of the biggest concerns that people have is that iran today has the ability through covert action to do anything they wish and there's lots of questions when you start teasing out the details from secretary kerry and others are we going to go backing to exactly what happened under saddam hussein where they kept moving the ball where for
months and months and months we didn't have the ability to get in and we are very concerned that may be where we are going, not to speak of the immediate sanctions relief that you just mentioned. none of this will matter until we pass this piece of legislation that allows us to know. again, the public will never see, never see the classified annexes, and on their behalf they want somebody myself cardin somebody else to see those details and to be able to debate those and certainly to be able to make sure they comply. look the first step is a process that puts congress back in place. again, congress has given that away already. four times since 2010 we have given the president the unilateral ability to put in this place through the u.n. security council, and now we are saying these details are important and they concern us, and these details could
destabilize the middle east and threaten americans so now we are saying we want to re-insert ourselves back into the process, and so many members on our committee have put in place without this legislation we will never have that opportunity. >> i have been reporting on the negotiations for the last two years. big picture issues beyond the details. in 2012 president obama said his demand would be iran end their nuclear program, and in this current program, they keep all the sites, sites that were secretly manufactured to avoid western knowledge of those sights sites, and those are all going to remain no matter how the deal is worked out in the next couple months and do you believe the obama administration wants this deal more than tehran and because of that they are giving up too much?
>> look jim, there has been a concern all the way that iran has kept its position and we have continued to move towards it. that's why you saw the overwhelming vote this week in the foreign relations committee. i am concerned with iraq but i think we can deal with it, and i am concerned about natanz but we can deal with that and every one of those cases, we said they will be different than they ended up and we don't have anything in writing yet. what concerns all of us i think the most is the covert actions. we have been told the negotiators on behalf of iran could pass a lie detector test that they never were past military dimensions, and what that means even negotiators in iran are unaware of the activities iran are dealing with because most of that happens through the separate entity that
has so much to do with the terrorists activities and the nuclear file. we're concerned if the negotiators don't know on behalf of iran all the things iran has been doing, how are we going to know? how are we going to have the ability and on snap inspections get into the military facilities and make sure covert operations are not underway. jim, this is of significance huge significance biggest geopolitical arrangement that will possibly be entered into and the president has a free hand to implement, and with senator cardin and myself and so many other people in the committee have been pushing for for sometime is our ability to behalf of the american people to make sure that this is transparent, that we see it, and that iran is accountable and that we have the ability to enforce this. i think this is a minimum we
ought to be doing. i am thankful it looks like we are beginning in a strong position to move it to the floor, and i hope it will become law. >> senator corker i want to turn to domestic politics. the president on friday was his most forthright and angry when discussing the continuing delays in the confirmation for loretta lynch. have a listen. >> it's gone too far. enough. enough. call loretta lynch for a vote and get her confirmed and put her in place and let her do her job. this is embarrassing. >> we have seen its senate at its most bipartisan this week with regards to the iran view and in your view is the president right, is this embarrassing? >> i am having difficulty hearing you.
are we talking about loretta lynch? >> yeah. we have seen the senate most bipartisan on the iran bill and this is the worst of bipartisanship and do you agree with the president that this is embarrassing and it has taken so long to get this vote? >> we have a couple things happening on the floor and there is a human trafficking bill that passed almost unanimously out of committee, and i would think every american would want to make sure that we are doing everything we can domestically to deal with human trafficking. it's a huge issue in tennessee and i know it is in every other state across the country. so over a detail a detail that was found after it passed out of committee, it has been held up so what has happened is that and loretta lynch are being held together. my sense is over the next 48 to 72 hours that is going to be resolved and we'll move on to this iran issue. there are so many other things
senator alexander passed unanimously out of committee this week an education bill, and we have trade bills, so we have a number of things that i think are getting ready to hit the floor. the log jam we are talking about over the nominee likely will be worked out in the beginning part of the week once the human trafficking piece is worked out with it. >> thank you for joining us this sunday. i want to turn to senator ben cardin and he is partnered with senator corker in that iran bill. if i can, just before we get to iran i want to touch on what senator corker ended with there, his belief that the loretta nomination will be resolved in the early part of the week? do you believe the same thing, is there a plan to move this forward? >> i agree with president obama. loretta lynch should have been on the floor for a vote well before now. this is the longest any attorney general nominee has had to wait
and it's outrageous. she should be confirms. it's an important position to have a confirmed attorney general, and it should not be connected to any other issue. >> senator harry reid threatened to force a vote using parliamentary procedure, do you think he will have to do that or do you sense the republican side is going to move forward? >> we had a good week on bipartisanship, and we are hopeful the loretta lynch nomination will be brought to the floor. there is no reason about her qualifications that would prevent this nomination from going forward. i am hopeful it will be up this week. >> let's turn to iran now. this was interesting and good bipartisanship to have the senate's democrats and republicans working on this and this is something the president
fought for months and he considered it an intrusion into his power, and you had democrats there, yourself included voting 19-0 on this out of committee. do you believe you have undermined your president on this issue? >> no not at all. i think america is stronger today as a result of the vote in the senate foreign relations committee. we are on path to have much more university between congress and the white house. i think the president is in a stronger position now to deliver the type of diplomatic solution that prevents iran from becoming a nuclear weapons state. that's our objective. iran cannot be allowed to have a nuclear weapon. this week we are on bath with a stronger position because we have a bipartisan support for how congress should oversight that agreement, and the administration is in agreement. it's not unusual to have any administration disagree as to
what role congress should play in any of the work they are doing doing, but i think we worked out the right way, the right way for a thoughtful review by congress to look at sanctions, since we imposed the sanctions, as to how those will be handled. >> one of the difficulties covering the nuclear agreement is it seems like the tale of two agreements after a couple weeks ago the iranians talk about a certain agreement back home and u.s. officials talk about another one here, and they seem to be at logger heads, and on one of those key issues and everybody has strong opinions about it, is how sanctions relief is done immediately or phased in? the president did not give a answer and i have to ask you, will the senate reject a deal that gives immediate sanctions relief as opposed to phased in
sankctions relief with regards to iran's nuclear program? >> well, bob corker and i worked closely together to get the legislation moved through congress and to the president and signed. it's not the vote on the merits of an agreement. we don't know what is in the agreement until we see it in june and what has been agreed to april 2nd was framework. we need to see whether we accomplish our purpose and our purpose is to have ample time before iran can break out to the nuclear weapon that we have full inspections because we can find out if they are cheating because we don't trust iran and prevent action from iran becoming a nuclear weapons state. if that can be achieved we appreciated a great deal in keeping iran from becoming a nuclear weapon state. >> senator corker said over time he has watched the president
move closer to iranian positions over the two years of these negotiations that the iranians started here and the president's position has been moving closer including on the basic issue of its program remains all these nuclear sites remain and modified but none dismantled. does the obama administration want this deal more than tehran and is tehran taking advantage of that in negotiations? >> i would disagree with that. what has been accomplished over the last many months, we kept iran's program in check, and there has been a reduction of the capacity to reduce materials for a weapon, and the frame of the agreement has been adhered to by iran and we need to make sure they cannot produce a nuclear weapon and we have the right to inspect and insure we know what they are doing. >> thanks for having and taking the time this sunday morning.
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hillary clinton is headed to new hampshire after soaking up the spotlight during her first week on the campaign trail in iowa but the democratic field is not complete joining me now one former senator, jim webb. thank you for coming on this morning. >> thank you for having me. >> you have been in iowa and south carolina and two states that hold two early contest. you have decided you are going to run for president? >> we are looking at it and looking at it hard. i have been an independent most of my career, and we're never
going to have this financial machine that will pull in $2.5 million as some people do and i will never have a political consultant at my side to whisper how i should dress or whether i should go to walmart or not, and we have strong beliefs about where the country needs to go and the kind of leadership where we can govern and pull in people that love our country and try to develop some strong positions on fairness at home and common sense and foreign policy. >> that sounds to me like an election pitch? >> that's what we would be offering. we have a much different perspective. when you get the political commentators at a table, the first thing they talk about is can you raise $1 billion, and the average person in our country is asking can you lead and can you get to a position where you can connect your views
in an environment where billions are coming in particularly since citizens united. >> are you leaning towards running? >> we had a good visit to iowa, and i will be going back in about a week, and it's a state with highly intelligent citizenry when it comes to politics, and i have a cousin in cedar rapids that said he met four presidential candidates out watering his yard. >> four times that many on the republican side so it's conceivable. you talk a lot about leadership here and in past public statements. does hillary clinton have that leadership quality you are talking about? >> i think we have a lot of incumbent fatigue in the country and i think people are looking for fresh approaches in terms of
how to solve the problems of the country. >> you don't believe she has that leadership? >> i wouldn't make that judgment. i think that's what the process is all about. >> would you support hillary clinton if she does win the nomination? >> i am focusing on what we are trying to do here, and i think secretary clinton has plenty of opportunity to sit here and give you her thoughts. by the way, before we get too far away from the moment here i would like to give you a reaction to the interview you had with senator corker. >> this is on the iran deal and to summarize for the viewers, there was a bill giving congressional oversight, and cardin said we don't trust iran and corker said he feels president obama has given up too much. >> i worked with bob corker on a lot of issues during the arab
spring when the administration was go into libya without coming to the congress. there are three things we need to look at with respect to the iran deal. the first is i don't believe you can have a legally binding international committeement without the full consent of the congress not the oversight they are offering in this bill although i would say that i think he has made quite an accomplishment by getting this bill through the committee. >> you believe it needs approval -- >> specific approval. i said this when the bush administration was putting the framework together in '08, and you cannot do that without the specific consent of the congress. secondly with respect to iran itself we need to look at this region. as you know there are three major power centers in the region. ish, sawed reauisrael sawed udi arabia,
and iran. we don't want we thirdly, don't know what is in this the particulars. it's vitally important that congress come forward and examine this agreement in detail and get a vote. >> we don't know the final details but we know a fair amount about the agreement, and we know in basic terms all the sites will remain basic modifications, and the secret military site will no longer spin uranium, and these are significant concessions on the part of the obama administration. when you look at the basic outline of the agreement, is it a good deal? >> we know our interpretation. iran has given its
interpretation which is why we need to scrub this whole idea. the other thing i keep coming back to when i was in the pentagon in the 1980s, and both sides had nuclear weapons, and we were talking about a reduction and the end result of this could be our abgcquiescence in this. we need to be on top of this. i think the piece that was wrote in the "wall street journal" summed it up. >> who is right? >> well on the side of the obama administration bill burns, former deputy secretary of state -- >> the key negotiator. >> he wrote a fine piece on the other side. the questions that kissinger and
schultz raised about verification on the other side are very important, and congress needs to scrub this and give specific approval, and i am saying it has somebody that could be in the executive branch but i think it's good for the country. >> you have isis taking over a key piece of infrastructure there, and claiming to have carrying out an attack on the u.s. consulate. is the u.s. losing the war against isis? >> first of all, as you know my son fought in ramadi as a marine, and i was in afghanistan as an embedded journalist -- >> a lot of americans died in ramadi. >> yes, and my son was there in '06 and '07, a lot of heavy fighting then. we have to look at the conflicts
in iraq and elsewhere in the region through the sunni shia eye as well as from the american perspective eye, and we need to get the countries on the ground over there to step up and help us out. i wouldn't say the united states is losing over there, but you are seeing a continuation from the sectarian violence that began when we invaded and then from the arab spring which threw everything up in the air again. >> is the coalition losing? >> you are seeing the greater influence of iran. even if you look at what we call the iraqi military the dominance of the shia in the iraqi military and of the other groups fighting alongside it in places like tikrit which is another reason why we don't want to spend the wrong message in the region with the strategic framework we are looking at. >> when you make your decision
on 2016 will you come back and tell us? >> you will know. >> thank you for joining us. >> thank you. hillary clinton rolls out her presidential campaign in iowa, and other republican white house hopefuls slam her, and what this tells us about the race for 2016 right after this. each day was fueled by thorough preparation for events to come. well somewhere along the way emily went right on living. but you see, with the help of her raymond james financial advisor, she had planned for every eventuality. ...which meant she continued to have the means to live on... ...even at the ripe old age of 187. life well planned. see what a raymond james advisor can do for you.
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as i was coming up i was a little startled because i could have sworn i saw hillary's scooby doo van. >> unlike mrs. clinton, i know that flying is an activity and not an accomplishment. >> the reason she can't be here today, is because you can ask questions. would you like to meet the dear leader and ask him anything he would like? >> it was game on in new hampshire s with nearly all the republican hopefuls there. we have our guests. great to have you. >> happy to be here. we see the republican candidates and are they trying out their
lines for 2016. >> i definitely this is where they start trying out their lines, especially with so many of them together too, they can see who has the best zing kwrerz for the moment. >> they are all going to agree on the hillary part. what gets complicated is when they disagree with each other, and where do they differ and where does the republican party, what are they going to do on health care and iran and that's when you see the rubber hit the road and we have not gotten there yet. >> it's early. on the bush issue, jeb bush asked how he planned to work to
look at the dynasties. >> you are seeing jeb bush saying my brother's foreign policy is not my foreign policy. he will have to answer the decisions his family made and when you see what jeb bush did, you are reading about him having to answer for the rest of his family and that puts him in the tough position. >> his answer is i am my own man. he is not the same as his own brother, and that's important to know that. he invites questions. when he has his father secretary of state and james baker makes comments jeb bush has to answer on that. it's a complicated position for him to be in. >> i think that's an excellent point, when you are surrounded by the same advisers your
brother had, and there are differences between us in our policies. >> and hillary clinton, rate her first week? >> i think hillary clinton's first week went pretty well. when you are seeing these candidates making fun of her for going to chipotle if that's what they have she didn't have any big mishappens. >> what are her accomplishments as secretary of state? >> well in fact a lot of times she talks about her time in office. it's about process rather than results because the results are muddied at best. things are not great with russia and the iran deal may not be something she wants to brag about or have any associate with and the trade deal many
liberals and progressives were not that happy with it, and you come back to libya and benghazi and she wants to talk about a broader sense of rerestored our place in the world after the disastrous bush administration and that's her line. >> stay with us. we will come back after the break. when we come back will same-sex marriage be the flash point of the presidential race? meet the world's newest energy superpower.
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and sarah. one question that has seemed to have gotten all the hopefuls the same-sex issue. let's listen to one answer. >> i don't go to a lot of weddings i go to weddings of people i am close to and i have a friend who is gay and asked me if i would go to his wedding, and i said let me think about it and i said to my wife my friend is getting married and do you want to go and she said absolutely and i called him today and said let me know what time it is. >> we saw scott walker saying he would go to the reception. how are they threading this needle here? >> i think it's a good sign of who governor casic is. they don't have to go around and pushing them on and i can still
respect and support my friends even though they know how i feel on this issue, and i think jeb bush in the camp too, they are hoping the court will just take care of it for them this summer. >> is that a consistent saying i am uncomfortable with it but i would go myself. >> it's a great question. it reminds me of what republican candidates used to get tripped up on when they were asked what would you do if your daughter or granddaughter got an abortion and they were caught between the person and the policy. all of them have to find an answer to this and senator santorum said he would be consistent with his policy preferences and we will see how the others answer. >> are they out of step with the 2016 presidential electorate? >> they are out of step with
what the majority of americans feel and i think they say, this is my personal belief i personally believe it's wrong, and it will be interesting to see how they thread the needle on the campaign. santorum has taken a harder stance than the rest of them, and if the court decides it for them they may say, the court made the decision and let's not talk about it anymore. >> do you think it's going to be an issue in 2016 or do you think it will be settled by then? >> i think you can hear democrats using against a republican nominee if they take too strong against it and mitt romney came out against same-sex marriage in the 2012 campaign and it was not an issue he ran on because he saw there was a political downside to it. >> the iran deal, and we are talking about that a lot now, and is that going to be an issue
in the political consciousness? >> i think you will hear candidates talk about this. one of the things they talked about a lot in new hampshire was the failures of president obama's failed foreign policy. >> does the obama -- do they run against the obama foreign policy peter? >> the republicans? certainly they do. the question is whether hillary clinton does and she has ownership over the first term of it even in places where she disagreed like syria and in some extent on russia, and she can say i would have done things differently if i was president, and they are jumping all over it for different reasons. thanks very much. welcome to cnn. peter baker, great to have you on. an american journalist arrested in iran last summer and
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vuse. for a perfect puff. first time. every time. "washington post" reporter jason has been in prison in iran since last summer. he was charged with spying. although u.s. officials have condemned his imprisonment he is subject to iranian law with dual citizenship. his brother,ali is fighting for him. i want to play a portion of a conversation he and his wife had on anthony bourdain parts unknown. this is just six weeks beforest im before he was imprisoned. >> as print journalists, our job is difficult but it's also kind of easy because there's so much to write about. you know the difficult part is convincing people on the other side of the world that what we're telling you we're seeing in front of our eyes is actually
there. when you walk down the street you see a different side of things. people are proud. the culture is vibrant. people have a lot to say. >> jason is "the washington post" correspondent for iran. his wife and a fellow journalist works for the uae based up in "the national." jason is iranian-american. his wife is a full iranian citizen. this is their city tehran. >> of course now he's nowhere resembling home. he's in iran's most notorious prisoners. what's the last contact you and your family have had with him and what's your sense of his condition now? >> so last time i spoke to him was actually in july before he was taken. his i would was able to speak with him this week. they had a short conversation on the phone. i think right now he's preparing. it's been such a long time with no information. we're expecting we might get some more information about the trial and the charges coming up and i think it's really tough on
him. >> physically he's having a lot of problems. >> he's had a lot of problems. he's had issues with his back. issues with several infection that is went untreated for months. in addition to that he's really depressed. he's been there for nine months. he knows it's twice as long as any previous western journalist. >> part of the torture and i have spoken to other prisoners there is the psychological torture of just not knowing how long you're going to be there or what even the legal process is. >> yeah. you know, they'll set up a deadline and say this is going to happen and then it doesn't happen or there will be something in their laws that says within a week or within two months something should happen there should be a trial or a trial date will be set and that day goes by. he know what is those are. he knows when they're supposed to happen and it's torture on him every single day. geez . >> he's going to be charged with spying. charges which you and the u.s. government say is spurious at best. what's the basis? >> we really don't know yet.
there was an article an iranian newspaper which claim he introduced people to each other nine years ago and communicates with them. >> we're not talking he introduced spies. we're talking about well-known iran analysts right? >> people here in the united states who have moved from iran you know whether they're at think tanks or they're journalists those kinds of things and there's no evidence he had access to any secret material anything like that. >> what do u.s. officials tell you about his case? do they keep in regular contact? do they make promises? do they give you hope? do they say we're fighting? how do they handle you when you ask what's happening with my brother? >> because of the diplomatic contact that's going on it's been much more frequent in the last say three months four months. so what we hear from the state department is, you know, we've been able to communicate with him. there's a judicial process in iran that needs to go through. we try to remind them that there are laws over there and have
them remind the iranians that they're just not following their own laws. >> i had the pleasure of meeting your brother in iran in 2009 covering the election protest. i interviewed him at the time and i have asked iranian officials about his case and that's the answer that they will come with saying we have a judicial process, we have to follow the judicial process, but the fact is this is very much about politics. one of the reads here is that the hardliners in iran are punishing or embarrassing the more moderate factions. do you feel that you and your family and your brother have been caught up not just between u.s. and iran but within iran a political conflict inside iran? >> you can't help but think that. i mean, you know the uniqueness of the case the fact that it's gone on for so long. it's so different than any other cases without any evidence against him to hold him for nine months without a trial. there's got to be other things going on but things he doesn't control. it's completely absurd. >> your brother, as you know co-wrote and was featured in a documentary about his second visit to iran to reconnect with
his father's homeland. let's take a look at that documentary. >> we chose an old shed for the ride back to town. >> this is part of your brother's story, your father from iran. this is part of your heritage. this is one of your home countries, right? do you feel conflicted emotions about that? >> i think we were growing up really influenced by the iranian culture, there were so many relatives around and it's difficult for me as half iranian to look at it and see what's happening.
>> do you feel betrayed? >> i haven't put my trust in the country as much as jason did. jason certainly feels betrayed by the country, by the legal system there which he believed should protect him with the rights of an iranian citizen, which is, you know what we've asked for all along. >> how is your mother doing in all this? >> you know i don't know how she holds up. she lives overseas by herself since my father passed. >> in istanbul. >> yes. she wants some clarity, too. she's waiting to her whaen the trial will be and at that point she will want to go to iran to be there with him. >> anniversary, second -- should have been the second wedding anniversary of jason and his wife. difficult for his wife as well. >> oh absolutely. they petitioned the judge to have a special call or to be able to see each other on their anniversary, and it was denied. so, you know things like that keep on coming by. his birthday my son's birthday
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